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Post by Stachland on Feb 25, 2011 17:16:34 GMT -6
The nations of Stachland and Camerania have received a request for an alliance from the founder of The Barren planet Sandail. We would like to know the opinions of the other pilots of The Flying Squadron.
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Kubrath
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Post by Kubrath on Feb 26, 2011 1:29:19 GMT -6
An alliance is just what we need, I say, go for it!
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Post by labradorn on Feb 26, 2011 4:38:31 GMT -6
Sounds like a good idea! However Sandail is home to only 4 nations, hopefully the number will increase.
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Kubrath
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Post by Kubrath on Feb 26, 2011 4:41:47 GMT -6
Nevertheless, an alliance, no matter how small, is useful.
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Nagsaf
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Post by Nagsaf on Feb 26, 2011 12:47:30 GMT -6
I am all for an alliance, but not one on equal grounds. Our size and stature must be taken into account. We do not want Sandail's four nations to plunge us into a war that is none of our business. I say we tentatively ally with them as long as we are able to back out of the alliance if we have found them to be acting too aggressively whether this be a military standpoint or a diplomatic standpoint. For example, if a nation declares war on Sandail but Sandail is guilty of having spies in that nation, the treaty should provide for the Flying Squadron to be able to back out.
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Post by Stachland on Feb 26, 2011 22:02:04 GMT -6
I am all for an alliance, but not one on equal grounds. Our size and stature must be taken into account. We do not want Sandail's four nations to plunge us into a war that is none of our business. I say we tentatively ally with them as long as we are able to back out of the alliance if we have found them to be acting too aggressively whether this be a military standpoint or a diplomatic standpoint. For example, if a nation declares war on Sandail but Sandail is guilty of having spies in that nation, the treaty should provide for the Flying Squadron to be able to back out. A very excellent point, one with which I agree completely. It seems that the region approves of this alliance, but we should certainly maintain the privileges you have suggested. I believe I will message their founder back with a proper response. Thanks to everyone for your help! |
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Post by labradorn on Feb 26, 2011 22:29:36 GMT -6
I guess an alliance wouldn't hurt, and if war were to be declared on The Barren Planet Sandail it would be fairly easy to defend it. However, I agree with Kubrath in that we shouldn't be dragged into wars and feuds that The Barren Planet Sandail get themselves into. Remember, we are a region with over 100 nations, The Barren Planet Sandail is home to only 4.
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Kubrath
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Post by Kubrath on Feb 27, 2011 3:45:04 GMT -6
I guess an alliance wouldn't hurt, and if war were to be declared on The Barren Planet Sandail it would be fairly easy to defend it. However, I agree with Kubrath in that we shouldn't be dragged into wars and feuds that The Barren Planet Sandail get themselves into. Remember, we are a region with over 100 nations, The Barren Planet Sandail is home to only 4. I believe Nagsaf said that, not me!  However, I also agree with Nagsaf's opinion, we shouldn't be traitors and just backstab them when we see fit, but we shouldn't jeopardize our safety, because of their mistakes, as well. |
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Post by labradorn on Feb 27, 2011 5:13:40 GMT -6
Oops! Sorry about that Kubrath! We should have some agreement in the alliance stating that IF The Barren Planet Sandail were to declare war on a region, The Flying Squadron has the right to have a vote on whether to support Sandail or to simply not take part. Basically, all nations of The Flying Squadron will vote whether they want to go to war or not, and a majority or a two-thirds or whatever wins. This ensures that we cannot be dragged into every war our allies get themselves into. How does that sound?
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Nagsaf
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Post by Nagsaf on Feb 27, 2011 10:51:17 GMT -6
I think we should even be able to back out even if Sandail doesn't declare war themselves. If they even insult the nation that declares war on them (prior to the declaration of war) we should be able to back out. If we get even a clue that Sandail acted as an aggressor or provoked war, the Flying Squadron should have the option of backing out.
But as to who the choice should lie with, I'd say not a public vote, but our Chief Executive as long as he consults our heads of military and foreign affairs.
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Kubrath
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Post by Kubrath on Feb 27, 2011 12:55:03 GMT -6
I think we should even be able to back out even if Sandail doesn't declare war themselves. If they even insult the nation that declares war on them (prior to the declaration of war) we should be able to back out. If we get even a clue that Sandail acted as an aggressor or provoked war, the Flying Squadron should have the option of backing out. But as to who the choice should lie with, I'd say not a public vote, but our Chief Executive as long as he consults our heads of military and foreign affairs. That's highly undemocratic, I do not approve! |
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Post by Stachland on Feb 27, 2011 12:56:13 GMT -6
The following is the telegram I sent to Sandail's founder listing the rights we desire in creating this alliance:
"The rights that The Flying Squadron requires in creating this alliance are simple:
1. The Flying Squadron has the right to honor its obligations to the Founderless Regions Alliance before it honors obligations to its alliance with Sandail, if such obligations conflict.
2. The Flying Squadron has the right to remain neutral in wars fought by Sandail if Sandail is the aggressor nation.
3. The Flying Squadron has the right to remain neutral in defensive wars fought by Sandail, if it is determined by the Squadron's Parliament that Sandail gave its enemy due cause to attack through any form of provocation."
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Nagsaf
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Post by Nagsaf on Feb 27, 2011 13:23:19 GMT -6
I think that agreement's perfect. Hopefully Sandail will agree without too much of an argument.
And Kubrath, how is that undemocratic? It will allow a decision to be made by a democratically elected representative of the people, and that representative will have all the information. War is a matter where making a timely and informed decision is vital.
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Post by Stachland on Feb 27, 2011 13:34:07 GMT -6
I've received a message from their founder, and it seems that he agrees with the rights we asked for. From now on, we shall be allied with "The Barren planet Sandail".
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Kubrath
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Post by Kubrath on Feb 27, 2011 14:34:09 GMT -6
I think that agreement's perfect. Hopefully Sandail will agree without too much of an argument. And Kubrath, how is that undemocratic? It will allow a decision to be made by a democratically elected representative of the people, and that representative will have all the information. War is a matter where making a timely and informed decision is vital. Can't argue with that one. |
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However, I also agree with Nagsaf's opinion, we shouldn't be traitors and just backstab them when we see fit, but we shouldn't jeopardize our safety, because of their mistakes, as well.